<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8" ?><rss version="2.0"><channel><title>Living Testimony</title><link>http://www.palmettocommunitychurch.org/blog</link><description>A free forum journal of Bible Study, &nbsp;Ministry, and exhortation of Christian living</description><image /><copyright>Powered by: Forest Blog Copyright 2005 Host Forest</copyright><item><title>Will the Rapture Occur on May 21, 2011?</title><description><![CDATA[<p>If you follow the news, you are probably aware Dr. Harold Camping is going around 
telling people that the rapture will happen on May 21, 2011 and then 
judgment day coming in Oct 21, 2011.  (see <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.wecanknow.com/" target="_blank">http://www.wecanknow.com/</a>) 
 This isn't the first time he has made this claim.  He also stated the 
rapture would happen in September of 1994.  It doesn't bother me so much
 that Camping says it because even the best of us, sincerely trying, are
 going to get it wrong on occasion.  What bothers me is this event has 
brought to light a major flaw in the Christian community where Biblical 
literacy and understanding is concerned.  And I was guilty of it too.</p><p style="text-indent: 15px">To reiterate:  To make sure our understanding is correct we must</p><p>1) Not assume what the text does not prohibit.</p><p>2) Know the (complete) context of any passage.</p><p>3) Ensure our interpretation has harmony (uniformity) with the entirety of Bible.</p><p>So,
 if your first response to Camping's claim was as my own initially, 
"Mark 13:32 says 'Of that day or hour, no one knows'" then you've broken
 rule #1.  How?  Ask yourself this, "Does the text exclude anyone <em>ever</em>
 knowing?"  The fact is the text does not.  I'm going to give the 
translators credit and accept that "know" is the correct translation of 
the original Greek word and the correct tense of the word.  That tense 
is present... present to Jesus at the time he spoke it, not our present 
time.  It is possible that the day or the hour could be revealed later 
because the text does not have a present-perfect tense ("no one <em>can ever</em> 
know") nor a future tense ("no one <em>will ever</em> know").  There is a big 
difference and we don't respect that difference.  It took God Himself to
 remind me to look at that passage again, word for word and not only pay
 attention to what it says, but what it does not say.</p><p style="text-indent: 15px">I'm 
stressing this point the first and the heaviest of all because it was 
assumption that caused Orthodox Jews then and now to reject Jesus as 
Messiah.  It was the things they assumed from the prophecies that were 
never explicitly prohibited.  We have to be very careful of this.  The 
prophecy stated Messiah would be born in Bethlehem, but it never stated 
Messiah would stay there.  Jesus started his ministry from Nazareth in 
Galilee and so many rejected he was Messiah because they assumed that he
 should have started from Bethlehem as the scriptures said.  But the 
scripture wasn't wrong, the assumption was wrong.  In other words, the 
scripture did not exclude the possibility of Messiah being born in 
Bethlehem, moving a number of times and then settling in Galilee (which 
is what happened).</p><p style="text-indent: 15px">Scripture also declared Messiah would 
rebuild the temple and re-establish the David's monarchy.  At the time 
of Jesus' ministry, the temple still stood... so how could he be 
Messiah?  The assumption made (then and now) was Messiah would fulfill 
all of those things in <span class=" fbUnderline">one</span> arrival.  
But it is in fact just an assumption.  The text never excludes the 
possibility of Messiah coming once, dying, resurrected and then 
returning again to fulfill the remainder of prophecy.  It simply doesn't
 exclude it. It's not until John's revelation that we see Messiah 
fulfilling the remaining prophecy.</p><p style="text-indent: 15px">I can't emphasis this 
enough: be careful of what you read and the assumptions you make.  Check
 and double check that you are only reading the words on the page, not 
reading into them.  Be willing to lay down what you think you know and 
as proverbs says, "Lean not on your own understanding".</p><p style="text-indent: 15px">Now,
 we need to see if our understanding of Mark 13:32 is in harmony with 
the entirety of the book and we come across Amos 3:7 "&#65279;Surely the Lord 
GOD does nothing  Unless  He reveals His secret counsel To His servants 
the prophets. (NASB)"</p><p style="text-indent: 15px">Uh oh.  There's a problem.  Amos 3:7 has not only an exclusion but an expressed absolute.  "<span class=" fbUnderline">Nothing</span>".  
 There are no exceptions to "nothing".  Since the Bible can not 
contradict itself, then something else must not be correct.  Either one 
or both passages need to be reexamined in their original language, or 
more likely, we assumed something from Mark 13:32 that we should not 
have.  What are consistent examples we see in the rest of the Bible?  
The LORD did reveal the day of destruction to Noah; He revealed the 
destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah to Abraham; He revealed the 
destruction of Babylon to Daniel; He revealed the destruction of 
Jerusalem and the dispersal of His own people to any number of 
prophets.  The consistency of examples agree with Amos 3:7, not our 
assumed meaning of Mark 13:32.</p><p style="text-indent: 15px">I'll be honest:  I don't 
like Harold Camping. I caught his radio program as a brand new believer 
and found his treatment of callers entirely too harsh.  I put that out 
there so that you can know I have not written any of the above out of 
personal bias for him.  In preparing for this post, I studied his 
background and his methodology over and I was prepared to pick apart his
 allegorical method of biblical interpretation but then God Himself 
stopped me somewhere in that.</p><p style="text-indent: 15px">Harold Camping and I, for 
the most part, agree on how to correctly read the Bible except in the 
area of using the Bible allegorically for a "spiritual meaning."  An 
example of allegorical reasoning would be to look at Deuteronomy 22:10 
which says "You shall not plow with an ox and a donkey together (NASB)" and 
derive from that people of differing races shouldn't marry.  Allegorical
 interpretations lead people to say things such as "well, the Bible can 
be interpreted in many ways" --- which is wholly incorrect.  You can 
make any allegory you want to make out of any portion text, sure.  The 
safest practice is not to assume anything in the Bible is an allegory 
unless the text tells you it is (there are numerous places of that), 
since the text also tells you the correct interpretation of that 
allegory.</p><p style="text-indent: 15px">But it turns out that I don't need to spend 
countless hours showing how Camping's allegorical conclusions are 
questionable at best.  Camping could be right in his method and his 
prediction and it still be in harmony with the entire Bible but for one 
thing.  Re-reading Amos 3:7, we see the LORD reveals His plans to 
prophets.  We also see that anytime the LORD speaks in allegories or 
dreams, it is the prophet who interprets them.  Therefore the real 
question is, "Is Harold Camping a prophet?"  I have no doubt he's saved 
and despite my dislike for him I have no doubt his heart for God is real
 and sincere.  But is he a prophet?</p><p style="text-indent: 15px">Contrary to modern 
assumption, there's more to being a true prophet from the LORD than just
 giving out predictions.  The first rule of a prophet comes from 
Deuteronomy 13:1-3</p><blockquote><p>"If a prophet or a dreamer of
 dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder, 				and the sign or the wonder comes true, concerning which he spoke 
to you, saying, 'Let us go after other gods (whom you have not known ) 
and let us serve them,' <span style="display: block" class="versetext singleline">you shall not <span class="strongs">listen</span> to the <span class="strongs">words</span> of that <span class="strongs">prophet</span> <span class="strongs">or</span> that <span class="strongs">dreamer</span> of <span class="strongs">dreams</span> ; for the <span class="strongs">LORD</span> your <span class="strongs">God</span> is <a name="3" title="3"></a><span class="strongs">testing</span> you to <span class="strongs">find</span> out if <a name="4" title="4"></a>you <span class="strongs">love</span> the <span class="strongs">LORD</span> your <span class="strongs">God</span> with <span class="strongs">all</span> your <span class="strongs">heart</span> and with <span class="strongs">all</span> your <span class="strongs">soul</span>." (NASB)
</span></p></blockquote><p style="text-indent: 15px">In this text we find an important lesson:  Just because a prediction comes true, does not mean this is a prophet of the LORD.  Prophets of the LORD 
call people to repentance and to turn back to Him, not away from Him.  
Dr. Camping preaches a gospel of Jesus Christ crucified for the forgiveness 
of sins, even though some of his other doctrine is highly suspect.  He's
 good on that point.</p><p style="text-indent: 15px">The next test of a prophet is Deuteronomy 18:22</p><blockquote><p>"When
 a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing does not come 
about or come true, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken. The
 prophet has spoken it presumptuously ; you shall not be afraid of him." (NASB)<br /></p></blockquote><p style="text-indent: 15px">As
 we read through other parts of the texts, we understand the LORD's 
prophets never fail in prediction.  Not once.  100% fulfillment.  That 
is the sole reason Harold Camping is not a prophet of the LORD.  He 
predicted the rapture to occur sometime in September of 1994 (ironically
 using Mark 13:32 as an excuse not to know which exact day in September)
 and we all know September 1994 came and went with no rapture of the 
church.  The thing did not come about, Camping spoken presumptuously and
 so we do not need to fear or give credibility to any other prophecy he 
makes.</p><p style="text-indent: 15px">In spite of my disagreement with him, I find I am 
thankful for Camping in many ways.  The man does have an obviously 
God-given gift for understanding mathematical relevants found in the 
Bible and he probably is correct in dating the earth to closer to 11,000
 years old rather than 6,000, since most scholars assume the heritage 
lines in Genesis, Matthew and Mark are direct lineage.  There's more 
evidence from the Bible alone to suggest that's probably not the case.  
Harold Camping has also spent an impressive amount of time going over 
the Bible in its entirety and I respect that.  Mostly, he has shown 
where we Christians are weak... because all it takes is one atheist to 
bring up Amos 3:7 in comparison to Mark 13:32 and we're left stumbling 
for an answer.  And it's not that the text was wrong.  We hadn't done 
the due diligence in critical thinking, asking ourselves "wait, why do I
 think this means...?"   Is it because Doctor, Reverend or Pastor 
so-and-so said as much?  Because traditionally that's what the 
collective thinks?   No.  You can know this book for yourself, so long 
as you are searching for the absolute truth and trusting in God Himself 
to open your eyes to its words.</p><p style="text-indent: 15px">I thank Harold Camping for
 the challenge and I certainly welcome anyone who disagrees with 
something I said to call it out.  I really don't care if I'm wrong.  I 
do care to know <em>how</em> to tell the difference between right and wrong.</p>]]></description><link>http://www.palmettocommunitychurch.org/blog/default.asp?Display=11</link><pubDate>04/22/2011 14:03:23</pubDate></item><item><title>How to Read the Bible</title><description><![CDATA[<p style="text-indent: 15px">Among believers and non-believers alike, there is a fallacy which states the Bible can be interpreted many different ways and that each person should judge for themselves what it means.  What makes this a fallacy is that, if viewed as a matter of personal interpretation only, the Bible then has no authority: it is merely
 opinions and ideas no better than yours, mine or anyone else's.  If 
it's not an authority, we're wasting our time reading it.</p><p style="text-indent: 15px">To be sure, many people can read the same passage and derive different conclusions.  The fact that this phenomenon is possible does not mean that is the intent of the Bible, nor does it mean all conclusions are true and equally valid.  How can
 any individual be sure their understanding is the correct one?  It 
starts with the recognition that only what the author <u><span class=" fbUnderline">intended</span></u>
 is the correct interpretation.  I don't know anyone who takes the 
trouble to write a book with the  intention that each reader decides for
 themselves what it means.  No  sane person I know does that.  If 
someone writes a book, then the author has  something to convey.  That's
 pretty basic.  When you're separated from the author by decades and 
languages...what then? You have to put aside your way of looking at 
things and get into the writer's way and you do that by comparing it 
with the rest of the body of work because the author will be uniform in 
all their manner.</p><p style="text-indent: 15px"><em>Uniform</em>.  Important word to note. Find 
the the uniformity first, because all other questions of ambiguity are 
solved against that.</p><p style="text-indent: 15px">If you haven't read the post <a href="http://www.palmettocommunitychurch.org/blog/default.asp?Display=8" title="Basic Truth">Basic Truth</a> you should browse it before continuing. It is 
the foundation of my next statement: The correct interpretation of any 
small part of the work is in harmony with the <em>entire</em> body of 
work.  There can't be contradictions.  I find that "contradiction" needs
 explaining too.  A contradiction isn't something that appears 
in-congruent, nor is a contradiction two opposing or paradoxical statements.  Originally a 
"contradiction" meant two or more things which could not both 
simultaneously be true.  If I said "<em>Bryan is in the room</em>" and "<em>Jim is in the room</em>",
 both statements are not contradictions even though they don't 
completely agree.  There's no reference to timing so it is possible one 
was in the room at another time period.  The statements "<em>Only Bryan is in the room</em>" and "<em>Jim is in the room at the same time as Bryan</em>"
 are contradictions because both can not be true simultaneously.  The 
absolute declaration "only" has eliminated all possibility of the other statement.</p><p style="text-indent: 15px">I
 defined contradiction to set up my next statement: The Bible can not 
have contradictions.  If it in truth does, then it can not be from God 
and we may as well throw it out and live whatever way makes sense in our
 own eyes.  It must be perfect and without contradictions of any kind if
 it is to be authoritative.  And you find there are no contradictions in
 it.  There are people who misuse or misunderstand what a 
"contradiction" is when they make that claim.  There are several 
passages that don't seem to agree and actually seem to oppose one 
another, but they do not contradict.</p><p style="text-indent: 15px">One final thing to 
define is assumption.  An assumption is a conclusion drawn from the text
 which has not been literally stated in the text.  I find that 
assumption is the biggest obstacle to truly understanding the Bible and 
what's worst most of the time we don't realize we're making them.  To 
begin seeing the Bible the way the Author intended, you must be aware of
 what assumptions you're making when reading the text and lay those 
assumptions down.</p><p style="text-indent: 15px">You will not be able to correctly apply 
any scripture if you don't know the big picture of it all, cover to 
cover.  That means reading it start to finish as often as possible, 
rather than select verses here and there.  The reason for that is 
context.  Context isn't just the verses before and after, but where that
 chapter fits into the entire book; where that book fits into the entire
 history, and so forth.  I have a concern for individuals who only read 
select passages here and there because they end up believing anything a 
person says, so long as they give enough verses to back it up.  It's not
 a matter of if you can find a verse to support your position.  The 
matter is does that position fit in absolute harmony with the entirety 
of scripture.  The entirety of it.</p>]]></description><link>http://www.palmettocommunitychurch.org/blog/default.asp?Display=10</link><pubDate>04/20/2011 05:42:40</pubDate></item><item><title>Billionaires of Faith</title><description><![CDATA[<div class="mbl notesBlogText clearfix"><div><p style="text-indent: 15px">When I was a teenager, 
the man I refer to as my step-father, Daniel, told me that if I were to 
put away 25% of every dollar I earned, that by the time I was 40 or so I
 would have enough money saved not to work again.  During that time of 
my life, I had the idea to be just like Alex P Keaton (character of <em>Family Ties</em>). 
 You know, making money left and right; watching the stocks and making 
the trades.  The problem I had wasn't in understanding the process, but I
 was too undisciplined to follow through.  There was always a reason to 
spend my money and always a reason to put it off saving for another 
time.  I was reactive and ruled by whim --- truth be told.  But I always
 recognized the wisdom of what Daniel told me, even if I just plain did 
not have the restraint to abide by it.</p><p style="text-indent: 15px">Trent has been 
giving an analogy the past couple of weeks based on the very same 
principle, but substituting money with investing in a relationship with 
God.  Now that investment comes in many forms: Prayer, studying His 
word, actually <em>doing</em> His word and the like.  It's been such a 
great analogy, I have found myself using it when counseling people on 
the Ministry phone-line.  His conclusion was simple and concise:  If 
you're only putting in once on Sundays, or here and there 'cause you 
need something, well, why are you surprised when you go to make that 
withdrawal and there's not enough in the account?  If we're dead honest 
with ourselves, we find ourselves in a crisis of faith when tough 
circumstances arise because we haven't been making the investment over 
time.</p><p style="text-indent: 15px">I heard a statistic not long ago which stated the 
mean yearly savings of the average household during the decade of the 
90's was 0% or less.  In other words, most households were putting <span class=" fbUnderline">nothing</span>
 annually in their savings accounts, if not spending more than they 
earned.   This is the same time period where credit was so prevalent 
that, as I saw it put in one article, "you could get a loan for any 
reason or no reason at all".  Given the things that are said to me when I
 counsel people, it sounds like the same financial practice was applied 
to their spiritual life:  "Hey God, lend me this much now and I'll pay 
you back later.  Thanks, God. Cheers!"</p><p style="text-indent: 15px">Yes, well... the 
results of that approach (financially and spiritually) don't need to be 
pointed out anymore than what's apparent.</p><p style="text-indent: 15px">What got me 
thinking though, was this:  If God honors our financial giving to the 
tune of 7 times greater than what we give, how much more the interest we
 accrue when we make spiritual investments?  Really?  How much more 
interest is given on that one simple prayer?  And what then do you have
 when you make those prayers daily; when you search the scriptures 
daily; when you apply his Word in your life daily; when you seek His 
face daily?  Imagine the interest amassed on <em>that</em> investment.  After enough years, you're living off the interest alone ... not even spending the principle.</p><p>That has become my goal.</p><p style="text-indent: 15px">There
 are plenty of people wanting to be billionaires in finances.  I even 
heard a ridiculous song about it while resetting the Best Buy stores.  
But imagine being a billionaire in faith.  Having so much accrued that 
you can call fire down from the sky, without a nanosecond of doubt if it
 were possible as Elijah did (routinely, I might add).  Or to be like 
Abraham who had enough in his account to know Issac was coming back, 
even though the LORD told Abraham to sacrifice him.  Look at Abraham's 
words, </p><blockquote><p>Abraham said to his young men, "Stay 
here with the donkey, and I and the lad will go over  there; and we 
will worship and return to you." (Gen 22:5 NASB)</p></blockquote><p style="text-indent: 15px">He knew Issac was coming back.  He may not of known how, but he knew.  That's amazing. </p><p style="text-indent: 15px">And
 then I think about Enoch, having 300 years of investing in God.  If you
 know me, you know he and Elijah are my "heroes".  They had so much in 
their account that God Himself determined they belonged at a different 
point in time altogether and they simply vanished from the planet right 
then and there.   They're not dead. They'll be back. </p><p>Billionaires of the faith.</p><p style="text-indent: 15px">For
 whatever reason, I think for our first several hundred looks at the 
scriptures we just assume that God randomly bestowed these things on a 
few special individuals who were otherwise minding their own business.  
And then <span class=" fbUnderline">because</span> God gave them these things they <em>became</em>
 faithful afterward.  A closer look at the scriptures seems to reveal 
something quite different to that notion:  What made them special to 
that degree was the investments they were making far in excess of anyone
 else.  It was because they were so highly invested <span class=" fbUnderline">first</span>, that God gave them those things <em>afterwards</em>.</p><p style="text-indent: 15px">For
 myself, I know I was quite surprised at how much I had stored up when 
the time came to say goodbye to someone very important to me, not long 
ago.  If such a thing had happened when I was spiritually bankrupt, I 
would have been mad at God, wonder why this was happening to me, feared 
the future and doubted everything I believe.  I know that would have 
been my reaction because that was my reaction over far lesser things.  
And I'll be honest, after the shock of it wore off, there was a moment 
of ... exasperation, honestly.  I was tired and didn't want to do it 
anymore.  But after that, in a reaction that surprised even myself, I 
found that I could praise God for their place in my life and all the 
things He'd taught me because of it.  I praised Him for all the ways He 
changed me.  I praised Him, sincerely and honestly, even though I had 
tears in my eyes. I still had thankfulness and gratitude even though I 
had no idea what would happen from then on.   Having that reserve when I
 needed it made the investment worth it...and it turns out I had more 
stored up then I was aware of.</p></div></div>]]></description><link>http://www.palmettocommunitychurch.org/blog/default.asp?Display=9</link><pubDate>04/16/2011 03:02:02</pubDate></item></channel></rss>
